Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti · 17 Elokuu 2017

Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäaineella Ruotsissa jo tarjolla

http://www.daikin.se/binaries/R-serien_2016_tcm544-423575.pdf?quoteId=tcm:544-420383-64

SCOP-lukemia katsellessa kannattaa olla varovainen ja vilkaista myöskin Pdesign-tehoa, 25 ja 35 sarjalaisilla ei tuossa valitussa tehossa ole merkittävää eroa (2,4 kW vs. 2,5 kW)
=> 35-sarjalaisen SCOP-lukemia on turha vertailla vastaaviin saman sarjan koneisiin, ellei niidenkin Pdesign ole samaa luokkaa

Taitaa kummatkin tuottaa sen 2,2 kW siellä -10C lämpötilassa

https://energylabel.daikin.eu/eu/en_US/lot10/jcr:content/services.json/lot10/energylabel/pdf?product=FTXM25M2V1B%20/%20RXM25M2V1B&locale=en_US

https://energylabel.daikin.eu/eu/en_US/lot10/jcr:content/services.json/lot10/energylabel/pdf?product=FTXM35M2V1B%20/%20RXM35M2V1B&locale=en_US

Tätä laitetta ei nyt kannata sekoittaa vanhempaan Caldo X (=Nordic Mainstream) laitteeseen R410A kylmäaineella joka on aivan eriluokan lämmittäjä kuin nämä uudet R32 laitteet.

http://emea.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/index.jsp?o=RXLS25M2V1B&i1=FTXLS25K2V1B

http://emea.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/index.jsp?o=RXLS35M2V1B&i1=FTXLS35K2V1B

http://lampopumput.info/foorumi/index.php/topic,21087.0.html

janti · 24 Elokuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Ruotsissa huhuillaan tehokkaammista Caldo XR30 ja XR40 malleista. http://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=64915.0
XR30 mallin pitäisi -15 C ulkolämpötilassa antaa lämpötehoa 4,5 kW. http://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=63183.msg688313#msg688313

Tässä ei vielä näy uutta 2017 mallia
http://www.daikintech.co.uk/01_Bluevolution/Data/FTXM.html

Taiwanissa FTXM-N malli jo löytyy, jos se nyt sitten on tämä Caldo XR -malli
http://www.5513595.tw/images/FTXM-N.pdf

janti · 25 Elokuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Huhuja löytyy myös Solo XR25 ja XR35 malleista matalalla sisäyksiköllä.
http://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=64947.0

Korvaa tämän Solo R-mallin (FTXP-K)
https://my.daikin.eu/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/SoloR_produktblad.pdf

Daikin_ · 28 Elokuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti sanoi:
Huhuja löytyy myös Solo XR25 ja XR35 malleista matalalla sisäyksiköllä.
http://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=64947.0

Korvaa tämän Solo R-mallin (FTXP-K)
https://my.daikin.eu/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/SoloR_produktblad.pdf

First of all, many thanks for showing interest in our new models.

In order not to create confusion, please let me try to explain about our nomenclature. Our naming scheme in Sweden is based on indoor model type + model range. In the Example: Caldo X it means that this is a Caldo indoor unit and a outdoor unit optimised for heating operation (X). If you take a Caldo R, then you have a Caldo indoor unit + a outdoor unit with R32 and high efficiency. Right now we are in a transition phase where the design of the Caldo indoor unit is changed. Regarding our new models for 2017 they will be called Caldo XR and that means Caldo indoor unit + an outdoor unit optimised for heating operation (X) + high efficiency R32 design (R) = XR. Those units are not public yet but be sure that you can find information first on the Swedish heatpump forum. The products shown on the links are NOT the new models to be launched. We have more interesting features on them and one of the features is long operational times. We made some tests and got up to 17 hours of operation between defrosting even in negative temperatures. Of course if a cold and wet period persists a shorter operation between defrosts will happen. Many best regards Daikin

Daikin_ · 9 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Dear all,

As stated earlier, Daikin is proud of releasing a new series of Optimised Heating units for cold regions.

The models are Caldo XR and Solo XR.

Solo XR units are A++/A class (average/cold)
The positioning of those is above door/above window installations thanks to 286 mm height.
They come in 25 and 35 class. Capacitywise they have 3,3/4,15 kW @ -15C and 2,8/3,0 kW @ -25C

Our flagships are the Caldo XR 30 and 40, those are A+++/A+ units (average/cold) with impressive performance.
Caldo XR 40 is rated 5,0 kW @-15C and 4,0 kW @ -25C.
During a presentation last week I actually saw during testing the unit perform 4,2kW @ -25 C with a COP of 2,17.

Caldo XR 30 is rated 4,5 kW @ -15 C and 3,3 kW @ -25C.

Caldo XR is also equipped with what we call "fireplace logic" that lets the unit work together in a true way with a fireplace in the house. If the unit detects that the room temperature is higher than the requested, then the unit stops the compressor and starts to operate with fan only. The bigger the difference in actual room temperature - the faster the indoor unit fan operates in order to distribute the energy in the house. When the temperature in the room drops below set temperature, the compressor starts the operation automatically again. This feature can be set on or off depending if there is a fireplace present or not.

All models come with a wide modulating 2 chamber R32 Swing compressor and a 3 row free hanging coil of latest generation.
This suits for a quiet and efficient operation even in the coldest days.

Publication of brouchures will follow shortly.

Many best regards
Daikin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1wACs-jDI

janti · 11 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Caldo XR taitaa olla FTXTM-M / RXTM-N

https://www.daikin.eu/en_us/products/FTXTM-M.html
https://www.daikin.eu/en_us/products/RXTM-N.html

Solo XR taitaa olla FTXTP-K / RXTP-N

https://www.daikin.eu/en_us/products/FTXTP-K.html
https://www.daikin.eu/en_us/products/RXTP-N.html

janti · 11 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Esite
https://my.daikin.eu/dam/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/Optimised%20heating-4_Catalogue_ECPEN17-010_English.pdf

Caldo XR 30 = FTXTM30M / RXTM30N
Caldo XR 40 = FTXTM40M / RXTM40N

Solo XR 25 = FTXTP25K / RXTP25N
Solo XR 35 = FTXTP35K / RXTP35N

Siesta ATXTP-K / ARXTP-N

janti · 15 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Täältä löytyy speksejä hieman enemmän
FTXTM-M https://www.airwave.ee/product-detail/ftxtm-mrxtm-n-ohk-ohk-soojuspump-r32-optimized-heating-iv/#
FTXTP-K https://www.airwave.ee/product-detail/ftxtp-k-ohk-ohk-soojuspump-r32-optimized-heating-iv-2018-mudel/#

janti · 19 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Hintatietoja Virosta

FTXTM30M 1260€
FTXTM40M 1480€

FTXTP25K 1086€
FTXTP35K 1176€

https://www.citykliima.ee/tootekategooria/ohksoojuspumbad/

janti · 21 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Esitteet SE

Caldo XR: https://www.daikin.se/content/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/CaldoXR.pdf

Solo XR: https://www.daikin.se/content/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/SoloXR.pdf

https://www.daikin.se/sv_se/produktgrupp/luft-luft-v%C3%A4rmepumpar/x-serien/caldo-xr.html
https://www.daikin.se/sv_se/produktgrupp/luft-luft-v%C3%A4rmepumpar/x-serien/solo-xr.html

Daikin_ · 23 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Janti, that picture of the putdoor unit is NOT a XR model. That is a Altherma air/water unit.

XR models have different design.

Best regards
Daikin

janti · 23 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin_ sanoi:
XR models have different design.

Please provide correct picture.

http://lampopumput.info/foorumi/index.php/topic,21087.0.html

Daikin_ · 24 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Vi have not taken any special pictures of the outdoor unit yet. I can provide you with some CAD sketches:
The 3:rd layer of HEX is marked with yellow colour on the second picture. You can also see the traditional fixation holes for the wall brackets, those are not present in the Altherma design.

/D

Daikin_ · 25 Syyskuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Please find also attached links to the brochures of the new models.

Caldo XR:
https://www.daikin.se/content/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/CaldoXR.pdf

Solo XR:
https://www.daikin.se/content/dam/DASW/document-library/catalogues/ac/split/SoloXR.pdf

Best regards
Daikin

janti · 1 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin ei julkaiset testituloksia täydellisinä uudelle mallille, miksi ei? Eri lämpötilojen COP ja teholukemat puuttuvat??
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTM30M2V1B%20/%20RXTM30N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTM30N2V1B&i=FTXTM30M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTM40M2V1B%20/%20RXTM40N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTM40N2V1B&i=FTXTM40M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTP25K3V1B%20/%20RXTP25N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTP25N2V1B&i=FTXTP25K3V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTP35K3V1B%20/%20RXTP35N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTP35N2V1B&i=FTXTP35K3V1B

Mielestäni tuo energiamerkintäkin on tiedoiltaan puutteellinen
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/ecolabel.jsp?outdoor=RXTM30N2V1B&indoors=FTXTM30M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/ecolabel.jsp?outdoor=RXTM40N2V1B&indoors=FTXTM40M2V1B

Vertailuksi edellisen mallin (FTXM-M) vastaavat tiedot
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXM25M2V1B%20/%20RXM25M3V1B9_english_us&o=RXM25M3V1B9&i=FTXM25M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXM35M2V1B%20/%20RXM35M3V1B9_english_us&o=RXM35M3V1B9&i=FTXM35M2V1B

Daikin_ · 2 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Dear Janti,

we are working 110 % right now to create all the documents you are linking to. So far only SCOP avg is filled in but SCOP cold will follow.
Please wait until we launch official documents then you will see all the values.

Thanks you for your understanding.

Best regards
Daikin

janti · 5 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti sanoi:
Daikin ei julkaiset testituloksia täydellisinä uudelle mallille, miksi ei? Eri lämpötilojen COP ja teholukemat puuttuvat??
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTM30M2V1B%20/%20RXTM30N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTM30N2V1B&i=FTXTM30M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTM40M2V1B%20/%20RXTM40N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTM40N2V1B&i=FTXTM40M2V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTP25K3V1B%20/%20RXTP25N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTP25N2V1B&i=FTXTP25K3V1B
http://se.intpre.daikineurope.com/energylabel/lot10/specs.jsp?id=productset_FTXTP35K3V1B%20/%20RXTP35N2V1B_english_us&o=RXTP35N2V1B&i=FTXTP35K3V1B

No nyt ovat ilmestyneet teho ja COP-lukemat eri mittauspisteissä.

FTXTM30M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,78 ja antoteho 3,3 kW => ottoteho 1854 W. Puhallus 702 m3/h
FTXTM40M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,9 ja antoteho 4 kW => ottoteho 2105 W. Puhallus 930 m3/h

Mielenkiintoista että laitteiden ottoteho ei laske tuosta -15C pisteestä -25C pisteeseen kuin 10-20W. R410A laitteissa max. ottoteho tippuu mielestäni tuolla välillä noin 100-200W.

FTXTM30M vertailukohtana voisi olla Mitsun LN35VHGZ -25C COP 2,0 ja antoteho 3,1 kW => ottoteho 1550 W. Puhallus 768 m3/h
FTXTM40M vertailukohtana voisi olla Mitsun LN50VHGZ -25C COP 1,8 ja antoteho 4,7 kW => ottoteho 2610 W. Puhallus 834 m3/h

r290 · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti sanoi:
No nyt ovat ilmestyneet teho ja COP-lukemat eri mittauspisteissä.

FTXTM30M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,78 ja antoteho 3,3 kW => ottoteho 1854 W. Puhallus 702 m3/h
FTXTM40M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,9 ja antoteho 4 kW => ottoteho 2105 W. Puhallus 930 m3/h

Mielenkiintoista että laitteiden ottoteho ei laske tuosta -15C pisteestä -25C pisteeseen kuin 10-20W. R410A laitteissa max. ottoteho tippuu mielestäni tuolla välillä noin 100-200W.

Myös Fujitsun LZCA (=General) puhkuu näemmä "pyhällä hengellä" ,vaikka kylmäke tuo R410 !

Daikinin tupla-swingin ohivuoto-ongelmat R32:lla ilmeisesti ratkaistu :

http://www.davidpublisher.org/Public/uploads/Contribute/550f896d2a88a.pdf

janti · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

r290 sanoi:
Myös Fujitsun LZCA (=General) puhkuu näemmä "pyhällä hengellä" ,vaikka kylmäke tuo R410 !

Kommenttini perustuu VTT-testien mittaustuloksiin = joka on lähempänä todellisuutta.

Ohessa kuva Fujitsu Nocria AWYZ14, eipä siinäkään tuo sininen ottoteho viiva pysy samana kun pakkanen laskee -15C => -30C http://www.ilmalampopumput.fi/files/vtt-testi-fujitsu-nocria-14.pdf
Sama tilanne ASYB9LD:llä huippuottoteho laskee 1200 W (-15C) => 950 W (-30C) http://www.scanoffice.fi/sites/default/files/liitetiedostot/vtt-s-08098-10.pdf

Daikin_ · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti sanoi:
No nyt ovat ilmestyneet teho ja COP-lukemat eri mittauspisteissä.

FTXTM30M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,78 ja antoteho 3,3 kW => ottoteho 1854 W. Puhallus 702 m3/h
FTXTM40M COP -25C lämpötilassa 1,9 ja antoteho 4 kW => ottoteho 2105 W. Puhallus 930 m3/h

Mielenkiintoista että laitteiden ottoteho ei laske tuosta -15C pisteestä -25C pisteeseen kuin 10-20W. R410A laitteissa max. ottoteho tippuu mielestäni tuolla välillä noin 100-200W.

FTXTM30M vertailukohtana voisi olla Mitsun LN35VHGZ -25C COP 2,0 ja antoteho 3,1 kW => ottoteho 1550 W. Puhallus 768 m3/h
FTXTM40M vertailukohtana voisi olla Mitsun LN50VHGZ -25C COP 1,8 ja antoteho 4,7 kW => ottoteho 2610 W. Puhallus 834 m3/h

Hi Janti,

the reason you do not see a bigger drop in consumed energy between -15°C and -25°C is because the -15°C testing point is not at the units maximum capacity but according to the P-design (5,6 kW@-22°C) In maximum capacity test the units consumption is of course higher.

Best regards
Daikin

Daikin_ · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

r290 sanoi:
Myös Fujitsun LZCA (=General) puhkuu näemmä "pyhällä hengellä" ,vaikka kylmäke tuo R410 !

Daikinin tupla-swingin ohivuoto-ongelmat R32:lla ilmeisesti ratkaistu :

http://www.davidpublisher.org/Public/uploads/Contribute/550f896d2a88a.pdf

Hi R290.

Nocria is one of my personal favourites and I installed several 100 units of this monster.

Hovever the LZ data you published I do not trust them 100%. If you look inte the 9 and 12 size units, they have the same consumption from -5°C and colder but the power output is higher on the 12 size. Same indoor unit, same airflow, same outdoor unit (compressor) but higher output ? In my opinion a difficult equation.

Regarding the R32 and compressor hurdles, Daikin has many patents here and we are very confident in our technology.
Best regards
Daikin

r290 · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin_ sanoi:
Hovever the LZ data you published I do not trust them 100%. If you look in the the 9 and 12 size units, they have the same consumption from -5°C and colder but the power output is higher on the 12 size. Same indoor unit, same airflow, same outdoor unit (compressor) but higher output ? In my opinion a difficult equation.

Regarding the R32 and compressor hurdles, Daikin has many patents here and we are very confident in our technology.
Best regards
Daikin

Hi D

You are entirely right about the dilemma rgd. the basic data upon 09/12-LZmodels.
But this is "only" a "marketing jippo" to justify the higher pricing for 12-size even though the same pump concerned as 09 -model.

The basic issue here was ,however, the indicated and flattened input energy of the modern split ACs at the cold ambient corner .
No more any drastic drop in input energy @ extreme coldness ( if the issued marketing/declared data even somewhat trustworthy) !

One may ask ,why earlier the "drop" was a rule?
Control issue related to keep discharge gas temperature in limits?

Daikin_ · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

r290 sanoi:
Hi D

You are entirely right about the dilemma rgd. the basic data upon 09/12-LZmodels.
But this is "only" a "marketing jippo" to justify the higher pricing for 12-size even though the same pump concerned as 09 -model.

The basic issue here was ,however, the indicated and flattened input energy of the modern split ACs at the cold ambient corner .
No more any drastic drop in input energy @ extreme coldness ( if the issued marketing/declared data even somewhat trustworthy) !

One may ask ,why earlier the "drop" was a rule?
Control issue related to keep discharge gas temperature in limits?

The previous drop of consumption when temperature falls was mainly due to compressor protection as to keep the pressure ratio within safety margins. Today the fight between the producers is more active following market demand in terms of capacity when cold temperature occurs. One just have to hope that the units can whitstand the increased conditions that happens when cold ambient. And as I mentioned before, Daikin has a lot of patents regarding compressor design in respect of R32. 92 of those patents we have released for free to everybody that wants to use the designs but the most important patents are still exclusive for us. Critical in R32 is the absence of R125 that had a positive function in respect to heat transfer from the compressor chamber(s).

Best regards
Daikin

janti · 9 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin_ sanoi:
The previous drop of consumption when temperature falls was mainly due to compressor protection as to keep the pressure ratio within safety margins.

I thought that the compressor suction gas from evaporator is thinner (lower density) in -30C than in -15C. That's why compressor will get to same max. frequency with less power than in -15C.

http://lampopumput.info/foorumi/index.php/topic,12047.msg144075.html#msg144075

-30C 10,548 kg/m3 and in -15C 18,446 kg/m3. R410A density is 43 % lower in -30C than in -15C.
http://www.gas2010.com/pdfs/r410a_pressure_temp.pdf

Daikin_ · 10 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

janti sanoi:
I thought that the compressor suction gas from evaporator is thinner (lower density) in -30C than in -15C. That's why compressor will get to same max. frequency with less power than in -15C.

http://lampopumput.info/foorumi/index.php/topic,12047.msg144075.html#msg144075

-30C 10,548 kg/m3 and in -15C 18,446 kg/m3. R410A density is 43 % lower in -30C than in -15C.
http://www.gas2010.com/pdfs/r410a_pressure_temp.pdf

Your comment is correct, and this can be clearly visible when you compare the consumption in rated frequency (unit has the same frequency regardless outdoor temperature) But when you look into maximum operating conditions then the frequency control has a much bigger impact on total consumption. As always, there is more than meets the eye. /Daikin

janti · 10 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin_ sanoi:
But when you look into maximum operating conditions then the frequency control has a much bigger impact on total consumption.

This protection function (frequency reduction) is done because thinner suction gas (=root cause).

r290 · 10 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikin_ sanoi:
The previous drop of consumption when temperature falls was mainly due to compressor protection as to keep the pressure ratio within safety margins. Today the fight between the producers is more active following market demand in terms of capacity when cold temperature occurs. One just have to hope that the units can whitstand the increased conditions that happens when cold ambient. And as I mentioned before, Daikin has a lot of patents regarding compressor design in respect of R32. 92 of those patents we have released for free to everybody that wants to use the designs but the most important patents are still exclusive for us. Critical in R32 is the absence of R125 that had a positive function in respect to heat transfer from the compressor chamber(s).

Best regards
Daikin

R125 is a mere ballast (shit/fire extinguisher for R32) in the system out of thermodynamics or refrigeration effect ,I might say!
The US-based manufactures apparently behind this "nonsense".

Rgd. heat transfer I am not pretty sure at all whether any gaseous compound could beat a liquid (POE/PVE- oil @different viscosities) as a heat transferring substance in the compressor chamber conditions .As a bonus one will control the leakage-issue between the shaft and piston.

I wonder how the presence of rotating oil fits in Daikin concept?
The role of (extremely) controlled superheating in discharge gas and evaporator/suction line (=>related to avoid oil retention) is a less documented issue at low ambient temperature conditions.

janti · 11 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

r290 sanoi:
The basic issue here was ,however, the indicated and flattened input energy of the modern split ACs at the cold ambient corner .
No more any drastic drop in input energy @ extreme coldness ( if the issued marketing/declared data even somewhat trustworthy) !

One may ask ,why earlier the "drop" was a rule?

"Drop is a rule" if you look at these documents. Look at numbers in operating limit temperature -25C, when heat pump compressor was (supposed to be) running full speed. Those advertaising documets are other question.

http://www.fujitsu-general.com/global/data/support/erp/00371726-01.pdf
http://www.fujitsu-general.com/global/data/support/erp/00371727-01.pdf

janti · 19 Lokakuu 2017

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Käyttöohje (EN)
https://www.daikin.fi/content/dam/document-library/operation-manuals/ac/split/ftxtm-m/FTXTM30-40M_3PEN485919-4A_Operation%20manual_English.pdf

"Fireplace logic support equal distribution from external heat source, such as fi re place, across the room.
How it works?
If the temperature in the room reaches the desired point set by user, the operation FIREPLACE LOGIC will start automatically. The unit will distribute hot air from the external source across the room using the unit’s fan.
The fan speed and the intensity of distribution depends on diff erence between temperature set by user and actual temperature in the room (in case of big diff erence between these temperatures the air distribution will be more intensive)."

Asennusohje (EN)
https://www.daikin.fi/content/dam/document-library/installation-manuals/ac/split/ftxtm-m/FTXTM30-40M_3PEN482320-5B_Installation%20manual_English.pdf
https://www.daikin.fi/content/dam/document-library/installation-manuals/ac/split/RXTM30-40N,%20RXTP25-35N,%20ARXTP25-35N_3PEN386697-4L_Installation%20Manual_English.pdf

janti · 9 Elokuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Daikinilta on tulossa uusi päivittynyt mallisto XR-malliston (Perfera ja Comfora) tilanne, XHR.
Lanseeraus Ruotsissa syksyllä https://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=67438.0

Juise · 25 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Tavasin tuota linkkiäsi ja vajavaisella skånellani tulkitsin google translaten käännöksestä että ero on vain ohjelmistossa. Eli pitäisi varmaan olla saatavissa vanhempiinkin sama softa?

janti · 25 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Juise sanoi:
Tavasin tuota linkkiäsi ja vajavaisella skånellani tulkitsin google translaten käännöksestä että ero on vain ohjelmistossa.

Ja ohjelmistopäivitys koskee vain 30-sarjalaista.

Juise · 25 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Juu 40 sarjalaisen ohjelmisto ei oo vielä julkaistu

Juise · 26 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

r290 sanoi:
Myös Fujitsun LZCA (=General) puhkuu näemmä "pyhällä hengellä" ,vaikka kylmäke tuo R410 !

Daikinin tupla-swingin ohivuoto-ongelmat R32:lla ilmeisesti ratkaistu :

http://www.davidpublisher.org/Public/uploads/Contribute/550f896d2a88a.pdf

Löytyi pari videota tuosta swing compressorista
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF9NMDqw8QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SiF7yqFwXQ

Juise · 26 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Olikos jossain esitetty tämän xr / xrh 30 minimiottoteho? Minimi tuotto tais olla listattuna 800w

Daikin_ · 26 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Juise sanoi:
Olikos jossain esitetty tämän xr / xrh 30 minimiottoteho? Minimi tuotto tais olla listattuna 800w

800 W is in fanspeed 5.
When lower speed is choosen then the minimum capacity will be lowered. Reason is cold draft protection.

/Daikin

Juise · 26 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Ok, i was asking whats the minimum input power as i only found info about the minimum output value from the manual

Daikin_ · 27 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Around 100-120 W @ +7C but varies with outdoor temp. Lowest input power will be at coldest day of the year actually.

/D

puuteknikko · 27 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

Is it possible to adjust the fan speed when heating is on but the desired temperature is reached? In my situation, the large open space near the indoor unit is kept quite warm but I'd like to push the warm air towards the other end of the house to mix it with the cooler air there. It would also help when the fireplace pushes warm air closer to the indoor unit (they are in adjacent rooms) and it probably will stop heating earlier than it probably should. The fan speed seems to be quite low by default.

Daikin_ · 28 Syyskuu 2018

Vs: Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

puuteknikko sanoi:
Is it possible to adjust the fan speed when heating is on but the desired temperature is reached? In my situation, the large open space near the indoor unit is kept quite warm but I'd like to push the warm air towards the other end of the house to mix it with the cooler air there. It would also help when the fireplace pushes warm air closer to the indoor unit (they are in adjacent rooms) and it probably will stop heating earlier than it probably should. The fan speed seems to be quite low by default.

You can select a higher fan speed manually by remote control. Would that help your situation ?
On the other hand if operating in heating mode and room temperature is higher than setpoint, the indoor fan will continue the operation with different speeds depending on the room temperature.

/D

Daikin Caldo R R32 kylmäineella

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